A Canadian filmmaker claims he has found ossuaries, or limestone tombs, that in all likelihood contained the remains of Jesus, his mother, Mary, his wife, Mary Magdalene, and - most shockingly - their son, Judah.
Un cinéaste Canadien dit avoir découvert le tombeau du Christ ainsi que sa mère Marie, sa femme Marie-Madeleine et leur fils Judas.
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Citation :
Filmmaker exhumes debate over Jesus's tomb
Ossuaries to be unveiled today in New York City
Jennifer Green, CanWest News Service
Published: Monday, February 26, 2007
A Canadian filmmaker claims he has found ossuaries, or limestone tombs, that in all likelihood contained the remains of Jesus, his mother, Mary, his wife, Mary Magdalene, and - most shockingly - their son, Judah.
Publicity agents for Simcha Jacobovici, who grew up in Montreal, and his executive producer, James Cameron of Titanic fame, a native of Kapuskasing, Ont., have scrambled to bring at least two of the ossuaries to New York City, where they are to unveil them at a news conference today. But they won't reveal its exact location for fear the public will swarm in for a glimpse of receptacles that might have once held holy bones.
"They are worried about a mob scene," said Alberta Nokes, Vision TV's representative on the project. "They have lots of security there."
Apparently, security guards have also been posted at the Jerusalem site where the ossuaries were first found.
The frenzy is expected to be so high pitched that the producers held a rehearsal yesterday evening for today's press conference launching the book The Jesus Family Tomb, by Jacobovici and Charles Pellegrino, and the film The Lost Tomb of Jesus, to be aired March 4 on the Discovery Channel in the United States and March 6 on Vision TV in Canada.
The film's title is particularly apt, considering the tomb has not been so much unearthed as rediscovered - for the third time.
It first came to light in 1980 as construction crews blasted for new apartments in Talpiot, a suburb south of Jerusalem. In the rubble, neighbourhood children discovered a low door with an unusual symbol over it, an inverted "V" with a circle at its base.
Construction stopped for a few days while archaeologists explored the burial cave, finding a courtyard, an antechamber and then the tomb chamber itself, with two death niches where bodies would have been laid out.
Radiating from the chamber were six fingers or cul-de-sacs carved deep into the soft limestone. Tucked into these fingers were 10 ossuaries.
These small limestone caskets were removed, catalogued and stored at the warehouses of the Israeli Antiquities Authority with thousands of similar ossuaries.
The cave was easily dated at about 2,000 years old, a time during the first century when bodies were wrapped in shrouds and allowed to decompose for a year. The families would then return to reinter the remaining bones in one of these ossuaries. The custom stopped abruptly when the Romans destroyed the city of Jerusalem around 70 AD.
During the 1980s, dozens of similar tombs were uncovered, so archaeologists were blase about this one. They sealed it with a slab of concrete and construction resumed.
Then, in 1996, just a week before Easter, the Times of London screamed out: "An archaeological discovery in Israel challenges the very basis of Christianity."
Two British television reporters had examined the Catalogue of Jewish Ossuaries, published in 1994, and found one of the Talpiot ossuaries bore the inscrïption "Jesus, son of Joseph" on a box 65 by 25 by 30 centimetres.
It might "electrify the centuries-old debate: did Jesus's body really rise from the dead on Easter morning?" the newspaper headline declared.
un coup publicitaire.... orchestreé par James Cameron (Titanic, Terminator) pour promouvoir le livre et documentaire de son "poulain"...
Citation :
Filmmaker exhumes debate over Jesus's tomb
Ossuaries to be unveiled today in New York City
Jennifer Green, CanWest News Service
Published: Monday, February 26, 2007
A Canadian filmmaker claims he has found ossuaries, or limestone tombs, that in all likelihood contained the remains of Jesus, his mother, Mary, his wife, Mary Magdalene, and - most shockingly - their son, Judah.
Publicity agents for Simcha Jacobovici, who grew up in Montreal, and his executive producer, James Cameron of Titanic fame, a native of Kapuskasing, Ont., have scrambled to bring at least two of the ossuaries to New York City, where they are to unveil them at a news conference today. But they won't reveal its exact location for fear the public will swarm in for a glimpse of receptacles that might have once held holy bones.
"They are worried about a mob scene," said Alberta Nokes, Vision TV's representative on the project. "They have lots of security there."
Apparently, security guards have also been posted at the Jerusalem site where the ossuaries were first found.
The frenzy is expected to be so high pitched that the producers held a rehearsal yesterday evening for today's press conference launching the book The Jesus Family Tomb, by Jacobovici and Charles Pellegrino, and the film The Lost Tomb of Jesus, to be aired March 4 on the Discovery Channel in the United States and March 6 on Vision TV in Canada.
The film's title is particularly apt, considering the tomb has not been so much unearthed as rediscovered - for the third time.
It first came to light in 1980 as construction crews blasted for new apartments in Talpiot, a suburb south of Jerusalem. In the rubble, neighbourhood children discovered a low door with an unusual symbol over it, an inverted "V" with a circle at its base.
Construction stopped for a few days while archaeologists explored the burial cave, finding a courtyard, an antechamber and then the tomb chamber itself, with two death niches where bodies would have been laid out.
Radiating from the chamber were six fingers or cul-de-sacs carved deep into the soft limestone. Tucked into these fingers were 10 ossuaries.
These small limestone caskets were removed, catalogued and stored at the warehouses of the Israeli Antiquities Authority with thousands of similar ossuaries.
The cave was easily dated at about 2,000 years old, a time during the first century when bodies were wrapped in shrouds and allowed to decompose for a year. The families would then return to reinter the remaining bones in one of these ossuaries. The custom stopped abruptly when the Romans destroyed the city of Jerusalem around 70 AD.
During the 1980s, dozens of similar tombs were uncovered, so archaeologists were blase about this one. They sealed it with a slab of concrete and construction resumed.
Then, in 1996, just a week before Easter, the Times of London screamed out: "An archaeological discovery in Israel challenges the very basis of Christianity."
Two British television reporters had examined the Catalogue of Jewish Ossuaries, published in 1994, and found one of the Talpiot ossuaries bore the inscrïption "Jesus, son of Joseph" on a box 65 by 25 by 30 centimetres.
It might "electrify the centuries-old debate: did Jesus's body really rise from the dead on Easter morning?" the newspaper headline declared.
un coup publicitaire.... orchestreé par James Cameron (Titanic, Terminator) pour promouvoir le livre et documentaire de son "poulain"...
Apparently not - at least until now.
Jacobovici was tipped to the sleeping story after researching a similar coffin that came to light in 2002.
Experts originally said its inscrïption indicated that it had been the ossuary of James, the brother of Jesus. Thousands went to see it on display at the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto. But within a few weeks it was denounced as a forgery. The case is still before the courts.
Amos Kloner, an expert on Israeli tombs, told the filmmaker: "Why don't you concentrate on the ossuary of the man himself - Jesus, son of Joseph?"
In the following months, Jacobovici's team discovered that, of the 10 ossuaries in the Talpiot burial chamber, six were inscribed with names linked to the Holy Family:
* Yeshua bar Yosef, Hebrew for 'Jesus son of Joseph'
* Maria, or Marya; Mary
* Matthew, or Matya, understood to be another relative, probably on Mary's side
* Yose, understood to be a brother of Jesus'
* Mariamene e Mara, written in Greek, interpreted by the filmmakers as Mary Magdalene. "Mara" could have meant "master," a common appellation for preachers.
Finally, the bomb: "Yehuda bar Yeshua" or Judah, son of Jesus
Over the years, archeologists and other experts have pooh-poohed the idea that this could be the Holy Family, and the film is careful to include their point of view.
David Mevorach, curator of the Israel Museum says on camera: "All ... we have is a cluster of names that resemble many of the names that we find in the New Testament. The other fact is we find these names in many other places, so suggesting that this tomb is the family tomb of Jesus is far-fetched and we need to be careful with it."
"We don't have Mary (Magdalene) in that tomb," he says.
James Tabor, author of The Jesus Dynasty: The Hidden History of Jesus, His Royal Family, and the Birth of Christianity, is chair of religious studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.
"You know, it can happen," he says. "We have to consider it."
But realistically, what are the odds?
The researchers took the problem to Andrey Feuerverger, a professor of statistics at the University of Toronto. Even though all the names were common in those days, the odds of them appearing together are roughly 600 to one, meaning this may just be the real thing.
Jacobovici also took samples from the bottom of the ossuaries to Lakehead University in Thunder Bay, Ont., where specialists in ancient DNA found that there was no blood link between whoever occupied the "Jesus" ossuary and the "Mary Magdalene" box. That means the occupants were likely husband and wife, even if they were not necessarily the progenitors of the Christian faith.
The film speculates, "Perhaps they were married and perhaps it was kept secret to protect a potential dynasty, a secret hidden through the ages, a secret we just may be able to uncover in the holy family tomb."
The secret, of course, is their son Judah. If Jesus and Mary Magdalene did have a child, they may have hidden his existence as he would have been a target of Roman persecution.
Yen a 3 pages comme ca...
Jacobovici was tipped to the sleeping story after researching a similar coffin that came to light in 2002.
Experts originally said its inscrïption indicated that it had been the ossuary of James, the brother of Jesus. Thousands went to see it on display at the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto. But within a few weeks it was denounced as a forgery. The case is still before the courts.
Amos Kloner, an expert on Israeli tombs, told the filmmaker: "Why don't you concentrate on the ossuary of the man himself - Jesus, son of Joseph?"
In the following months, Jacobovici's team discovered that, of the 10 ossuaries in the Talpiot burial chamber, six were inscribed with names linked to the Holy Family:
* Yeshua bar Yosef, Hebrew for 'Jesus son of Joseph'
* Maria, or Marya; Mary
* Matthew, or Matya, understood to be another relative, probably on Mary's side
* Yose, understood to be a brother of Jesus'
* Mariamene e Mara, written in Greek, interpreted by the filmmakers as Mary Magdalene. "Mara" could have meant "master," a common appellation for preachers.
Finally, the bomb: "Yehuda bar Yeshua" or Judah, son of Jesus
Over the years, archeologists and other experts have pooh-poohed the idea that this could be the Holy Family, and the film is careful to include their point of view.
David Mevorach, curator of the Israel Museum says on camera: "All ... we have is a cluster of names that resemble many of the names that we find in the New Testament. The other fact is we find these names in many other places, so suggesting that this tomb is the family tomb of Jesus is far-fetched and we need to be careful with it."
"We don't have Mary (Magdalene) in that tomb," he says.
James Tabor, author of The Jesus Dynasty: The Hidden History of Jesus, His Royal Family, and the Birth of Christianity, is chair of religious studies at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.
"You know, it can happen," he says. "We have to consider it."
But realistically, what are the odds?
The researchers took the problem to Andrey Feuerverger, a professor of statistics at the University of Toronto. Even though all the names were common in those days, the odds of them appearing together are roughly 600 to one, meaning this may just be the real thing.
Jacobovici also took samples from the bottom of the ossuaries to Lakehead University in Thunder Bay, Ont., where specialists in ancient DNA found that there was no blood link between whoever occupied the "Jesus" ossuary and the "Mary Magdalene" box. That means the occupants were likely husband and wife, even if they were not necessarily the progenitors of the Christian faith.
The film speculates, "Perhaps they were married and perhaps it was kept secret to protect a potential dynasty, a secret hidden through the ages, a secret we just may be able to uncover in the holy family tomb."
The secret, of course, is their son Judah. If Jesus and Mary Magdalene did have a child, they may have hidden his existence as he would have been a target of Roman persecution.
Yen a 3 pages comme ca...
After all, the family had not fared well: John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin, was beheaded, his brother James was stoned to death and his friend and founder of the church, Simon Peter, was crucified head down, some say.
A third scientific test, on the patinas, or residue on the outside of the ossuaries, determined that the infamous James ossuary, in fact appears to come from this cave, and may have held the bones of Jesus' brother James after all.
Nobody has said the entire piece is a forgery, suggesting only that the words "brother of Jesus" were added after the fact to boost its value.
Although 10 ossuaries were found at Talpiot, only nine were in the warehouse when Jacobovici began his research. It seems one had gone missing. The evidence suggests that the James ossuary was spirited away, perhaps sold on the black market.
Cameron, who wrote the forward to the book, said in a press release: "It doesn't get bigger than this. We've done our homework; we've made the case and now it's time for the debate to begin."
As to the Christian faith, it looks like it will stand firm.
John Dominic Crossan, professor emeritus of religious studies at Chicago's DePaul University, says, "If the bones were found tomorrow, would it destroy Christian faith? It certainly would not destroy my Christian faith. I leave what happens to bodies up to God."
Ottawa Citizen
A third scientific test, on the patinas, or residue on the outside of the ossuaries, determined that the infamous James ossuary, in fact appears to come from this cave, and may have held the bones of Jesus' brother James after all.
Nobody has said the entire piece is a forgery, suggesting only that the words "brother of Jesus" were added after the fact to boost its value.
Although 10 ossuaries were found at Talpiot, only nine were in the warehouse when Jacobovici began his research. It seems one had gone missing. The evidence suggests that the James ossuary was spirited away, perhaps sold on the black market.
Cameron, who wrote the forward to the book, said in a press release: "It doesn't get bigger than this. We've done our homework; we've made the case and now it's time for the debate to begin."
As to the Christian faith, it looks like it will stand firm.
John Dominic Crossan, professor emeritus of religious studies at Chicago's DePaul University, says, "If the bones were found tomorrow, would it destroy Christian faith? It certainly would not destroy my Christian faith. I leave what happens to bodies up to God."
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Le lundi 26 février 2007
La tombe du Christ exposée à New York
PC
New York
Un réalisateur de film canadien rend public ce lundi matin, à New York, les preuves médico-légales et des résultats de tests d'ADN confirmant, selon lui, que l'une des tombes découvertes, en 1980, à Jérusalem, est bien celle de Jésus-Christ.
À l'époque, une dizaine de boîtes funéraires avaient été exhumées, dans le quartier de Talpiot, à Jérusalem. On y avaient retrouvé trois crânes humains et des inscrïptions gravés sur six de ces cercueils portaient les noms de «Jésus», «Mariamne» (soit Marie-Madeleine en grec), «Judas, fils de Jésus», «Maria», «Joseph» et «Mathieu».
Une quinzaine d'années plus tard, un documentaire fort controversé sur cette découverte avait été présenté à la BBC. Le document affirmait qu'il s'agissait bien là des tombes de Jésus et de sa descendance, suggérant ainsi que le Christ avait uni sa destinée à celle de Marie-Madeleine.
Le documentariste torontois Simcha Jacobovici vient de signer une nouvelle production télévisuelle sur cette même découverte, portant le titre de The Lost Tomb of Jesus.
M. Jacobovici dit avoir fait analyser les ossements des tombes portant les noms de Jésus et Marie-Madeleine.
Il rencontre la presse à New York, ce lundi, pour annoncer qu'il possède désormais de nouvelles preuves scientifiques confirmant que la découverte de 1980 correspond bien à celle de la famille du Christ.
Le réalisateur dit détenir des preuves irréfutables qu'on ne possédait pas à l'époque et qu'il rendra public lors de cette conférence de presse. Les deux supposées tombes de Jésus et Marie-Madeleine seront d'ailleurs exposées durant le point de presse.
Le nouveau documentaire sera diffusé sur la chaîne américaine Discovery.
Le lundi 26 février 2007
La tombe du Christ exposée à New York
PC
New York
Un réalisateur de film canadien rend public ce lundi matin, à New York, les preuves médico-légales et des résultats de tests d'ADN confirmant, selon lui, que l'une des tombes découvertes, en 1980, à Jérusalem, est bien celle de Jésus-Christ.
À l'époque, une dizaine de boîtes funéraires avaient été exhumées, dans le quartier de Talpiot, à Jérusalem. On y avaient retrouvé trois crânes humains et des inscrïptions gravés sur six de ces cercueils portaient les noms de «Jésus», «Mariamne» (soit Marie-Madeleine en grec), «Judas, fils de Jésus», «Maria», «Joseph» et «Mathieu».
Une quinzaine d'années plus tard, un documentaire fort controversé sur cette découverte avait été présenté à la BBC. Le document affirmait qu'il s'agissait bien là des tombes de Jésus et de sa descendance, suggérant ainsi que le Christ avait uni sa destinée à celle de Marie-Madeleine.
Le documentariste torontois Simcha Jacobovici vient de signer une nouvelle production télévisuelle sur cette même découverte, portant le titre de The Lost Tomb of Jesus.
M. Jacobovici dit avoir fait analyser les ossements des tombes portant les noms de Jésus et Marie-Madeleine.
Il rencontre la presse à New York, ce lundi, pour annoncer qu'il possède désormais de nouvelles preuves scientifiques confirmant que la découverte de 1980 correspond bien à celle de la famille du Christ.
Le réalisateur dit détenir des preuves irréfutables qu'on ne possédait pas à l'époque et qu'il rendra public lors de cette conférence de presse. Les deux supposées tombes de Jésus et Marie-Madeleine seront d'ailleurs exposées durant le point de presse.
Le nouveau documentaire sera diffusé sur la chaîne américaine Discovery.
dans le code de vinci ca dit que jésus et marie madeleine ont eu une filel si ont eu un filset que la ligné existe encore aujourdhui hmmmm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6_7Mbp76jU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (ont lache rien) continuons le combat